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  1. I started using Outright about half a year ago, and I agree that it’s far and away the best and easiest solution I’ve found for keeping track of my income and expenses.

    The estimated taxes due is super helpful. One quick thing about it, though … The income tax percentage will gradually increase as you make more money and move up in tax brackets, so that’s just something that you have to be ready for.

    Or for me, I’ve calculated how much I anticipate to pay in taxes over the year and I try to put aside that percentage from each check/payment I receive. So for a while, I might be putting aside more than Outright says I need to, but over time as my income tax percentage rises it will catch up with what I’ve put aside.

    Anyway, super helpful. Less than $10 a month (and you can add that as an expense!) and it’s dead simple to use. It’s also up to date on things like mileage, so if you travel for business purposes you can just give it the round trip mileage and it knows the 2012 mileage rate (.555 per mile).

    1. PotPieGirl says:

      Thanks for your feedback, Chris – it is pretty awesome, isn’t it?

      Yep, I did forget about the tax bracket thing – but it’s a good “birds eye” of what’s going on JUST with your business. I file joint/married so things change by the time the numbers actually go to your 1040.

      Again, I am NOT a tax lawyer or accountant, but say for example: on a married joint 1040, HE works for an employer, gets a W-2, has taxes taken out all year, and SHE works for herself online, 1099, Schedule C… the taxes HE pays in via every pay check through out the year COULD offset any estimated taxes. COULD – all depends on the situation.

      Thanks for stopping by!

      Jennifer

  2. I also started using Outright recently. It’s a great platform to keep record of my earnings and everyday expenditure. Anyways I appreciate you dear for writing a segment about internet marketers. Keep it up. πŸ™‚

  3. This is one of the important aspects that all should focus on, it’s quite difficult to know which is which but it’s a good thing that you’ve laid out some ideas. Thanks!

    1. So true Feye, it’s hard to manage them all and know them all, I’m running a home business and seeking pro help with regards to legals aspects like taxes is something I found very helpful. As a newbie it’s a big help but with this article, it could be a fruitful resource.

  4. I also subscribe to Outright but admit I haven’t peeked in there for awhile (I don’t make much profit yet LOL). My question is this (maybe someone knows) – do you HAVE to pay quarterly taxes? I also file joint and suspect the numbers they tell me in Outright wouldn’t apply anyway. I’ve just been rolling it all together in April and paying what I need to then. I still have an 8-5 JOB so I have W-2 where I have extra money being pulled out anyway to cover taxes.

    1. Standard not-an-accountant disclaimer, of course … πŸ™‚

      It is my understanding that if you owe more than $1,000 in taxes at the end of the tax year, you can receive a penalty for not filing quarterly estimates.

  5. Being new to IM, or at least claiming expenses, I am really confused about where to claim some of the expenses. I’ve mostly done my own taxes (business too). Most accountants don’t seem to “get” the IM thing. How are other IM’s claiming things such as: plr, plugins, templates, ebooks and courses? What category do they fall under? Do they need to be depreciated over more than one year?
    Thanks.

    1. PotPieGirl says:

      {Insert standard “I’m Not an Accountant” disclaimer here}

      Things you buy to operate your business (not including paper,ink, pens and other office supplies) could be categorized as “Supplies” – and perhaps not “Cost of Goods Sold” (which is something not really related to what we do). I don’t see depreciation regarding the things you mentioned.

      1. [Inserts “Not an accountant” disclaimer also!]

        Depreciation usually only applies to things which can be potentially resold at some point if you had to wind up the business, like computers and certain other things like office equipment, saleable stock, vehicles and so on. You usually agree with your accountant (and, ultimately, your tax authority) what may be depreciated and at what rate … a common standard is 20% per annum, meaning that your computer, your office furniture and so on are ‘written off’ (= have no value) after 5 years.

        Ebooks and courses might come under the heading of “Training” (we all have to pay for training to make us better at what we do!); plugins and templates are “Software” which help us to increase productivity.

        PLR articles are, on the whole, resalable, but are not like physical ‘stock’ (which, once sold, has to be replaced). It’s difficult to know where they might fit into a traditional accounting system but, since they really have very little value once they are published once, they are probably a one-off purchase which, like expendables, should be written off immediately. If you do sell them (multiple times), of course, then that is extra profit.

        HTH!

        You would usually include ‘Depreciation’ as an ‘expense’ in your yearly returns or annual balance sheet and it would be a separate item from ‘Supplies’.

  6. This couldn’t have come at a better time for me. I’ve been using spreadsheets too. Outright looks awesome. You rule.

    Bill

  7. Hi Jen,

    Thank you soooooooo much for this post. I have signed up to both and I’m def looking forward to making filing my faxes a lot easier.

  8. Congratulations on a superb presentation. I sometimes wonder how you find time to compile these detailed posts on your site. I guess it’s as they say “if you need something done ask a busy person” or something along those lines.

    A few years ago I studied international tax systems as part of a university project and it sure made me glad to be living in little old New Zealand rather than a few other parts of the world.

    The Benjamin Franklin quote springs to mind here or as another writer put it *if I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say, β€œthe only guarantees in life are death and taxes,” I guarantee that I would be a very wealthy man* so hopefully your readers have some other less taxing guarantees in their lives.

  9. Now if only they had an Australian version… my biggest bugbear is translating all those PayPal transactions in USD to AUD for book keeping and tax reporting. There must be a simpler method…

  10. This is a really awesome and much-needed article and the two software packages also do exactly what you say (and required of them). It’s a shame that the accounting package only deals with the American IRS system, though much of it is applicable to and usable by people from other countries.

    So much can be found online about earning a living by freelancing – whether it’s through an omline business or not – and yet there is so little said about how one should actually manage one’s earnings (supposing there to be any) in order to keep square with the tax authorities that one begins to wonder whether there really _are_ any people making money this way.

    I’m certain that this post of yours will wake a lot of people up to the fact that they OUGHT to be doing something about their tax returns and will give them, at least, a starting point!

    I believe that, in the US, earnings of less than $600 a year don’t require you to fill in a form (though that doesn’t mean they’re not taxable). The same applies – and to an approximately equivalent level – in many other countries as well. We may all start out small and be overjoyed if we are beginning to see even $10 coming in regularly every month but we should all (of course) hope for better and, long before we reach even $50 a month, need to know that the tax authorities will, sooner or later, become very interested!

  11. I’d also like to point out that all of us, really, have to be ‘tax lawyers’ and ‘accountants’ inasmuch as it affects us. We all (including the tax lawyers and accountants) have to try to understand what the IRS actually requires of us. The professionals are simply there to help us (that’s what we pay them for) and they, also, have a right to make disclaimers.

    Would your accountant, Jennifer, like to give her comment in this thread, I wonder? Her disclaimer would have to be, of course, that she only knows about US law and that she would, in any case, only be giving her personal opinion!

  12. Very good post Potpie girl a lot of internet marketers are clueless on how to do their taxes at least correctly that is. Thanks for clarifying things for everyone.

    Plus you added some pretty cool resources to make the job a little less stressful.

  13. Jennifer,

    This was a very timely topic. I’ve just now really started to focus on building my online business. It seems very few really want to talk about this subject because of ‘liability’ concerns. Starting out, however, it is helpful to find what established marketers are using as tools of the trade. I have signed up for Outright already and can see how beneficial it will be. Thanks for sharing.
    Jeremy

  14. Thanks Jennifer,
    I Finaly got a chance to read your entire post and am anxious to check out the programs you
    have described. I wonder though?? Did you diced to create this post because of my question
    on the WA forum or was the timing just coinsidense.

  15. Jennifer,

    For my direct sales business (offline) I always used Quicken. My entire life was tracked that way. I started getting frustrated with it as I had to upgrade and keep converting my files. (I have several that I’d like to access but the old software doesn’t work on the new Windows systems so I feel like I’ve lost a lot of my business data even though I still have the files.

    I’m gonna give this software a shot. It looks like it can do most of the stuff I’d been using Quicken for. And with it being online maybe I won’t lose stuff in the upgrade translations!

    Thanks for the info!!

  16. Hey PPG – awesome post, and very timely. 2012/11 was a nightmare for me. So disorganised. Its a mess! Never again.

    My question is – does this work in the UK? Or is it set up for US only?

    D

  17. Hi Jennifer,

    Thanks for sharing this info!

    I have a question for you, if you don’t mind…
    I hope to have to file self employment taxes this coming year, and I always wondered about how you pay social security taxes/self-employment taxes. If your revenue is from ads and affiliate programs, is the ssn tax and self employment tax still owed? I assume it is, but I’ve never seen it mentioned by any online marketer.

  18. I downloaded the free version of OutRight and have been going through my expenses for 2011 before I start working on my taxes. Thanks for the suggestion. I really like that it has a Schedule C worksheet that I can print out so I can see exactly where everything goes on the actual tax forms. The estimated taxes would be more helpful if it allowed you to enter in your expected tax bracket after you consider other income (like a spouse’s wages). Right now it’s telling me my estimated taxes for Q1 of 2012 are about 23% of my net profit, which I assuming includes SE tax. But my actual taxes will be around 43% of my net profit after I figure our tax bracket with my spouse’s income, plus the SE tax. I guess I’ll just have to continue to figure this up my own. But otherwise, the rest of it is great.

  19. I have been working on taxes all day and just happened to pop on the web and happen on to this site. I’ve been doing IM for a few years but just this year started making a little money. I’m confused about one thing, though. For instance, I’ve purchased several WSOs….what category would those fall under in expenses? Additionally, what about PLR packages that I bought to re-write and post on my site?

    I’m assuming the WSOs would be educational expense and the PLR would be cost of goods sold? That’s just my 0.02….am I on the right track?

    So glad I found this site today!

  20. hi Jennifer!
    wondering if you could pass on to dave bocock that I’d like to talk to him about the keyword college material he had up – tried power3 first, but got a “forbidden” message.
    hope you are having fun, and just delete this when you read it πŸ™‚ it’s not exactly on topic

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